After reading up on another finely written article from Richard Lewis, my eye caught a statement given by Carmac, otherwise known as the product manager for ESL's Intel Extreme Masters event. I quote:
Carmac said:
We are always on the lookout for options that make sense and we keep several games on our radar. We are constantly looking at many games, not just CS, but that does not mean they'll make it into the Intel Extreme Masters. The game list for the 5th season of the Intel Extreme Masters is complete at StarCraft II, Counter-Strike 1.6 and Quake Live. We will start thinking about whether or not to change something after the World Championship in 2011.
Given the recent strong showing and surge of activity throughout Call of Duty and it's scene, i think this would be a perfect opportunity to show ESL, Intel and pretty much the world that we mean business. Increasing activity in ESL ladders and tournaments, as much contact between VitaNova and ESL as possible, and we may well see this game featured as one of the headlining games. It may be a dream, but it's a reachable one if we unite. We've got around 7 months to go, let's go for it i say!
Aerox1991 on 2010-08-17 04:07:46
edited 2010-08-17 05:47:17
shot yourself in the foot
and aerox you are correct
ot: that would be awesome of course :) previous event I was at IEM and its just fucking sick [=.
edited 2010-08-17 06:29:44
edited 2010-08-17 14:54:40
other than EU
like NA,South america,Asia,Australia and some parts of africa (:
so i do feel cod4 has lot of mass appeal...
its just that as a complete global community we are very fragmented
and lack of esports organisations in other continents like asia,south america,africa etc means they cant attend big LANs.
and existing esports organisations in Na and australia dont want to spend a lot on travel to other continents
also,There are many countries where cod4 is still played without any competitive mod.
So there is definitely i lot of opportunity for cod4
But to be picked up for IEM you need big scenes in atleast EU and NA and afaik NA isnt that big anymore close to dying
btw, about wow aerox, pandemic for example had an american lineup for wow back in the days, not just koreans, just pointing that out on a side note.
About WoW: Yeah, of course there were other nationalities involved, but the main demographic is from South Korea. Afaik, apart from one Spanish team, Europe didn't ever have any major WoW team.
But cmon, let's get something to hope for. If we can unite the cod communities, who'se to say we're not going to achieve it. Let's at least try!
Everyone plays WoW a lot, but I think USA is the biggest scene...
I think Vita Nova has something in mind for uniting the CoD scenes, just be patient.
edited 2010-08-17 16:09:01
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and i'm not into wow lol..
only try to insult me when you really know me lad, if not, keep it shut.
other than EU
like NA,South america,Asia,Australia and some parts of africa (:
so i do feel cod4 has lot of mass appeal...
its just that as a complete global community we are very fragmented
and lack of esports organisations in other continents like asia,south america,africa etc means they cant attend big LANs.
and existing esports organisations in Na and australia dont want to spend a lot on travel to other continents
also,There are many countries where cod4 is still played without any competitive mod.
So there is definitely i lot of opportunity for cod4
we have a big comunity in LA, for example, argentina, chile,brazil, etc.
and yes, there is no big LANS for example here in argentina because of the lack of the esports organisations
Made in Brazil(mIBR)
and they dont play cod4 :(
edited 2010-08-18 01:56:23
edited 2010-08-17 16:38:02
Also whilst there has been more of an effort with people playing ESL the ladders still don't hold much ground as say ED. The top teams play ENC, EMS & EPS but there isn't much drive in the public ladders. Excluding the .de ones which are very active & hence EPS 17 (i think?) is coming up.
You also lack a lot of the massive esports orgs supporting COD4. SK and Mouz have recently moved into CSS picking up teams in EPS germany so there is always interest to move to new games but its about the right teams. The reason they picked up teams going into EPS .de is because they make far more money off it and get a huge amount of exposure for very little support. If some big orgs put some money into COD4 then you would have other scenes being stronger too.
I don't think we would get IEM in truth, if the Asian and NA scenes kick started then we would but at the moment we wouldn't.
Also whilst there has been more of an effort with people playing ESL the ladders still don't hold much ground as say ED. The top teams play ENC, EMS & EPS but there isn't much drive in the public ladders. Excluding the .de ones which are very active & hence EPS 17 (i think?) is coming up.
You also lack a lot of the massive esports orgs supporting COD4. SK and Mouz have recently moved into CSS picking up teams in EPS germany so there is always interest to move to new games but its about the right teams. The reason they picked up teams going into EPS .de is because they make far more money off it and get a huge amount of exposure for very little support. If some big orgs put some money into COD4 then you would have other scenes being stronger too.
I don't think we would get IEM in truth, if the Asian and NA scenes kick started then we would but at the moment we wouldn't.
Asian scene is actually pretty decent, you would be surprised and you shouldn't just take into account what you read on this website. I'm working on some of the ESL things you mentioned and also keeping in contact with organisations about teams but most don't seem to be THAT interested atm. Shame :(
I honestly don't see ESL growing hugely, i think EAS UK has surged a little since COD4 got going again but i don't know about other countries. The public ladders are the same as CB, they are ESL heroes just doing it for the top spot on the ladder.
If you want to appeal to the big orgs then i would start with the german ones, the german COD4 EPS is doing very well and if they are picking up CSS teams for the EPS slot then there is a huge opportunity for any up and coming german team/ reasonably established german team to get picked up. Afaik from reading the CSS articles on cadred the teams they picked up weren't even that amazing, they literally just want a EPS slot as the team owns the EPS slot not the players.
If ESL's system was used effectively (enough sign-ups, usage of the instant challenger etc.), it could work out really well...
not for tards,no mixing / multiaccing
Anyway the best thingy with the admins getting picked up just would be those very know like myzz, qlimaxzu, vanner etcetc, all top players and that understands what the community wants and get it done. But they just pick up inbreed shit tard admins that are corrupted by power cauze they are little childrens and when they have a spot with power they beggin to stay corrupted.
CB Site is pretty good, simple, easy and effective and the ladder system is just perfect. in ESL they arent. And dont u tell me that I play those leagues for a small time u can check my accounts here:
- clanbase.ggl.com/humaninfo.php?hid=1562181
- www.esl.eu/pt/#/pt/player/1378540/
and as u see, I've been playing in those leagues for +5years :-] and I can assure u both are pretty shit cauze of admins, esl system is just awfull but the cb one is perfect. That's why CoD1 and CoD2 in CB was the main league, when the admins where nice and not a bunch of corrupt shitminded kids.
edited 2010-08-17 17:25:00
most teams in css EPS.de get like 8k in salary's, probs more duno the exact number
And it's a huge + for the devellopment of cod4.
In france ESL is dead as fuck except for europeans qualificative tournaments such as EMS. Both EAS and SPS (=future EPS) were disastrous :s
But since Vita-Nova is born it changed many things, and it's a huge plus. What i mean.
Ok, keep dreaming man! ;D
edited 2010-08-17 19:31:23
but, imo thats almost impossible. since the cod4 arrived into the scene its been very hard to get huge orgs supporting it, with the only one being fnatic and mtw? sorry for the other ones but these are on a very diferent level. theres no Sk, no mouz, etc.. and then we have activision that releases a cod game every year, scatering even more the comunity. theres only space for one team based fps. and thats cs. css only survives cause it has cs in the name. im talking about pc gaming ofc.
now were gonna have another cod, and another moh. i guess cod4 is gonna have a hard time surviving.
this is my pov. gl for iem boys
edited 2010-08-17 19:53:49
Can't even get that right (c) Vin Diesel F&F 2001.
Teams shouldn't be noshowing the EMS matches.
wat
your game = the game you play
don't try to be a smartass when your comment doesn't make sense ;)
"you wonder why interest in your game wears off *rolleyes* "
It does sound like nonsense, you were right.
other scenes are still lagging behind.
NA was dominant during the EG,pandemic days but now the activity of their big teams has fallen drastically.
In asia , most teams are new and havent played call of duty series since vcod .
Most cod4 teams in asia used to be Battlefield teams and then started playing cod4.
Compared to this, in australia teams are much more stronger,(ArcMSI,iM.intel,fray) with some esport organisations and having played most of the games of call of duty franchise,but they are yet to send their teams for big lans in EU
We have EAS, EPS and ladders with high activity. Soon there will be another season of BuLi (Bundesliga) which will feature both CoD 4 (MW) and CoD 6 (MW2), where teams representing our Bundesländer (~ 'states') will play against each other (allowing only players who don't play EPS).
EMS also seemed to be quite successful, so that's a first step for EU level. If we could raise activity in .eu ladders and another season of EMS, and possibly 'National ESL' (which was established for North America) picking up CoD 4 and giving it something like the EAS or EPS, chances for a more globally orientated IEM would be a lot better.
Which some of them fail to, tee-hee.
Which some of them fail to, tee-hee.
True, but lets be fair, a grand isn't that much for teams to stake it out. If we were looking at say 20 grand however, this would change in an instant, don't you think? :P
it would help alot if teams would just play their fucking eas matches
You're a bit too ambitious, maybe talk to people 'pulling the strings' instead of relying on people on these forums.
edited 2010-08-17 21:16:13
#1:
Pathetic assumption is pathetic. Get a clue. (Edited)
Solid start there m8
#2:
That's like saying CoD4 is all Swedish because H2k is Swedish.
shows real insight.
#3:
Sigh. (Edited)
What can i say...
#4:
Stop acting immature and maybe people would listen to what you have to say, and consider it.
So, four posts, and three of them were absolute idiotic replies. Now, if you wish to lable this as immature, go right ahead, in the mean time, i'll try and get the game i love in a prestigous tournament thank you very much.
:P
: D
edited 2010-08-17 21:37:55
This over and over and over.
You have to remember we have had a very positive year, we may have had them in previous years but last year the game was dead after the summer lans. If the game can stay active theres no reason why we can't have IEM. Bare in mind our main competition would be CSS, since the game has been worked on by hidden path its been doing a little better.
NA scene is a prime example. They have like, two lans maybe that support CoD 4, and the prizepurse rarely allows the broader teams to attend, so they have no incentive to keep playing.
You have to remember we have had a very positive year, we may have had them in previous years but last year the game was dead after the summer lans. If the game can stay active theres no reason why we can't have IEM. Bare in mind our main competition would be CSS, since the game has been worked on by hidden path its been doing a little better.
what NA scene ?
i heard that they will be switching to black ops, just to keep the NA community alive
edited 2010-08-18 20:53:27
The simple fact is, if you even want to consider going for IEM, the community should first start supporting it. Not only by playing ladders, but definitely also by taking EPS/EMS serious and showing that there are actually decent communities in the several EPS countries etc. Then we are only talking about the EU scene.
In my opinion decent first goals should be developing cod4 to be one of the main stream games in EMS and in several EPS competitions and this way show that teh community actually has some stability and potential.
VN should deffo support this and the rest of the community should be doing the same
Its been going 6 years or so and has a much larger following than COD4
start signing cYa :D