Do Your Duty - Article

Posted by Camiel jetset R. on 2010-11-23 14:50:48

Do Your Duty
By United Kingdom Richard "DrGonzo" Lewis

 

November 9th 2010 – Call of Duty: Black Ops is released worldwide and is greeted with the kind of frenzy that makes the previous clamour to purchase Call of Duty titles seem restrained. In the first 24 hours it has sold 7 million copies, 5.6 million in the United States and 1.4 million in the United Kingdom, eclipsing the record set by Modern Warfare 2 by approximately 2.5 million. There is a new sure fire guarantee of success these days – put the words “Call of Duty” on the box and people will part with money before questioning what’s inside.

Being a gaming journalist that’s starting to get a bit of recognition on the circuit I was invited to the UK launch of the game but declined to attend. I mean, these launches are usually extremely dull affairs, just an opportunity to grab some free swag and if you’re lucky some complimentary drinks, before watching people queue up to buy a game at the stroke of midnight. It is the centre of the hype cyclone, where everything seems normal and within context. It’s only outside of it a true measure of the impact can be judged.

As such I spent mine at home, in a lowly suburb on the outskirts of Birmingham, to ensure I had a much clearer picture of what was going on. Sure enough, we weren’t untouched by the game’s release. My local Blockbuster had a queue going round the street to take advantage of its special opening hours, a one hour window within which to buy the game. In the end they pushed it back further and crammed everyone in the store and pulled down the main shutters. I’m not sure how many people went away empty handed but I do know that my local store won’t see activity like that for some time to come.

While picking up some whiskey from the corner shop I bumped into one of the lucky staff members on duty at the time who also felt the need for a drink. “It was horrible” he told me “and I don’t even understand what all the fuss is about. I mean, it’s not even that good a game…”That was his viewpoint, yet the statistics were telling a different story. My inbox was full of industry news and press releases telling me it was the most successful game of all time. Surely that many people couldn’t be wrong. I mean, Modern Warfare 2 might have been a rotten competitive game but from the viewpoint of a gaming experience, it had plenty of redeeming features and its popularity could be understood.

After sitting down and drunkenly smashing my way through the review copy of the game that had been lovingly shipped to me I realised what I had known all along. First, that the general public don’t know what’s right from wrong and never will, their collective consciousness tainted by mass media and fluorinated water… How else to explain that they laugh at something like WWE for being fake and then get involved in the manufactured drama of X-Factor? Yes, the general public is renegade scum by and large and can’t be trusted to choose what is good from what is bad, which explains why a game like Darwinia probably sold like fifty copies and this dreadful offering is the most successful game of all time.

Still, I shouldn’t have been surprised. Treyarch don’t really make great games, competitive or otherwise, and haven’t since back in 1998 where the criminally underrated and largely forgotten Die By The Sword showed that they had creative minds that wanted to try new things. Now? Well, when the going gets tough let’s fall back on the safe bet of adding zombies to a game. Seriously – zombies actually make everything 22% better. With the exception of Carmageddon, But it is a lazy method with which to mask their creative shortcomings and I felt that if anyone knew all of these things would be the Call of Duty community.

I never reviewed the game, which might be just as well, although I saw the mixed reviews the game garnered in the industry press. If you were to aggregate the scores and the comments into one comprehensive review anyone reading it would rightly arrive at the conclusion that it was, rightly so, an average game with many flaws both in single player and multiplayer modes. It has its moments in small doses and as such will enjoy a brief run of popularity before dropping off the radar altogether, like a party hosted on a stealth bomber. This is a conclusion bore out by reports that came in at the time of typing this screed, that in the second week of the game’s availability sales dropped 85%. These are likely to be further impacted upon with Germany stopping imports of the non-censored game, leaving their residents to play a heavily cut version. Hard to believe this is the same game that caused people to steal it at gunpoint stateside only a few weeks ago.

Such is life though… So imagine my surprise when at i-series, an event that quite rightly as things stand doesn’t seem to garner the attention from the wider CoD4 community, people were idly talking about the new game and how it had impacted on what people wanted to do. “I guess we’ll have to see what happens with Black Ops” they mused “might be the community wants to make the move.” Surely not? I sat there in quiet contemplation, unable to articulate my thoughts. I thought we’d got past that stage with CoD4… You know the stage I mean, where everytime a new instalment of the game is put out, the developers throw money at it in the hope – usually well founded – that you will all jump ship for the three to six months they support the game before going back to plan the next way to hoover money out your wallets. It seemed to me that the CoD4 community is now a bona fide one in it’s own right, not just a collection of gaming nomads.

Yet I asked around and that phrase came up again, even from people whose opinion I respect and feel have steered the community in the right direction. It seems odd and I hope it’s just a knee jerk reaction, an atavistic tic from the bad old days when nobody was certain where the future lay. But you guys have a future now and let’s be absolutely clear about the achievements of the CoD4 community. When the game first came out it was sneered at by the seniors of Call of Duty 2. They said – perhaps with a grain of truth in the vitriol somewhere – that the game lacked skill and would never measure up to their title. Those that made the hop even said that it was a fad, a flash in the pan and the way to make a cheap buck for the players. Indeed, the first few tournaments had prize pots that would have been well received by any e-sports title, let alone a game without an e-sports following.

Yet people didn’t go back and even in the face of Activision pulling those glittering prizes the game still managed to see large numbers of sign-ups, an increasing skill level and bigger and better LAN events. People took notice of the game and we saw record numbers of spectators and big event organisers talking about bringing in CoD4 as it was a more public friendly game than some of the other FPS titles out there. The Antwerp E-sports Festival saw the most competitive CoD4 event to date, drawing teams from all over the world, to underline that the game still had a competitive future no matter what was thrown at it. And it’s weird that one of the threats to that community are the same people that created the game in the first instance but such is the nature of Call of Duty titles.

Credit has to go to everyone who has stood by and done their part, rather than being pulled this way and that, numerical puppets for hire whenever a game needs that extra shot in the arm for promotional purposes. So why would this title even make a dent in the psyche of the average CoD4 player? Have we become so jaded and listless that we no longer feel motivated to support the title? Do we crave something new in the absence of regular competition? I have no idea myself, still feeling like an outsider when it comes to mindset, even in understanding the other facets of the scene. What I do know is this game isn’t the answer… It’s a flash in the pan, and a badly made one at that. CoD4 on the other hand is a refined competitive game that has life in it, something that needs to be underlined by proactivity rather than apathy and inactive confusion.

At times, it might seem like CoD4 is the afterthought of the e-sports world. Hell, I was there at DSRack where I saw the game largely neglected and the prize money still outstanding for the victors, while the other games left with cash in hand. For shame, because it was the Call of Duty players who were the most patient and respectful during the delays and technical problems, despite the absence of a dedicated tournament admin team. In this sense I understand the delusion, the want to believe that a new game would make something better, something different, that where there is money there is respect and professionalism.

Yet that’s not true at all. What brings those things is the resolute determination not to change, never to waver in that loyalty to the cause that makes people stand up and take notice. Being able to mobilise large groups of sign-ups with a single forum post, being able to attract outside media attention and having community mouth-pieces that can express the opinions of the many in a way that makes sense… All of these things are what makes a scene truly be respected by the people that matter and that’s not going to change for some time to come.

I hope it’s all nonsense. I hope that the people I overheard and spoke to where either strung out from lack of sleep or were just idiots, perhaps even both. It’d be a shame to get distracted now. 2011 is looming and there’s room for great things to happen for CoD4 if people can continue to stand firm, be resolute and do their duty. Don’t get distracted by these flashy baubles. It’s an illusion. Look at it this way, those women that dance on the stage in seedy all night bars… They might want you to force grubby notes into their g-string but believe me when I say they don’t want to go home with you. And on that awfully revealing note let’s leave it there.


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20 months ago
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nice read
well done keep those articles comming :D
20 months ago
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nice read Gonzo, more articles please.
20 months ago
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JIM9tekRONDE





...lmao
20 months ago
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Good read as always
20 months ago
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nice read!
20 months ago
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cba with news games, cod4 is still active, especially competitively. Its just due to winter were seeing a slight dip in the scenes activity levels. Come February it'll build back up again if you have a governing body such as vita nova backing it still.

edit: nice read

edited 2010-11-23 15:17:16
20 months ago
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Even cod has winter depressions :(
20 months ago
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So bassicly what he said is "BO is overhyped , stick to cod4 , cod4 has LANS , cod4 is growing"
20 months ago
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cod4 YEz
20 months ago
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Nice read man
20 months ago
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Good read.
20 months ago
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This article has actually convinced me to stay with CoD4.

I love you.
20 months ago
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Nice read. Agree with you completely.
20 months ago
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Good read and exactly my thoughts. Keep these articles coming Gonzo, we need people like you!

I do think Vita Nova should be giving a clear and public stance on COD:BO, its clear we need direction as a community. We're far too indecisive.

edited 2010-11-23 16:04:56
20 months ago
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They can't decide for you. It would be rediculous for them to issue a statement either way.
20 months ago
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The majority of players in the competitive scene will follow Vita Nova's example and trust their judgement. There's a clear difference between them "deciding for you" and showing you the way! It just seems there's too much "will we, won't we" at the minute in my opinion.

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Plus there's a difference between Vita Nova publishing their stance and deciding for us. Clearly. It would not be remotely "ridiculous", as you put it, for Vita Nova to issue a statement - just like the example Vanner posted below. It would clear up so much confusion and give a lot of the community outside of the top of the scene some direction.

edited 2010-11-23 17:02:09
20 months ago
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Vita Nova wont shut out either game, instead we will monitor CoD:BO's development. Untill we believe Black Ops is up to scratch as a competetive title that could improve the community/scene/game as a whole, we will support cod4.

That alright for you!? :-)
20 months ago
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Yeah that's perfect. It really should be published as news in my view, there's too much confusion amongst everybody on TEK9 at the minute. That's all I'm getting at.
20 months ago
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I think vanner is trying to say make up your own mind :P
20 months ago
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I dunno dude, he seems to be saying Vita Nova is going to stick with COD4 until BO is competitively feasible and is clearly 100% the correct move for the community to make as a whole.

A lot different to "make up your own mind" if you ask me!

edited 2010-11-23 17:09:36
20 months ago
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Not agreeing the fact you tries to improve the community of that game. =/
20 months ago
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This is the right approach (what vanner said), see what happens, not let some article dictate the bloody way, one that has a fair few flaws anyway.

edited 2010-11-24 00:48:57
20 months ago
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Just facepalmed on my desk atRi.
20 months ago
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youre a fucking retard
20 months ago
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I don't see how I'm even close to being a retard?
20 months ago
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how you can come to your conclusion about vita nova's intentions is beyond me, really is.
20 months ago
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Right so, Vita Nova will be "monitoring BO's developement", but until it becomes "up to scratch as a competitive title that could improve the community/scene/game as a whole, we will support cod4."

Is it retarded to have concluded from the above that Vita Nova will be supporting COD4 until Black Ops is competitively feasible and clearly the right move for the community to make?

I fail to see how understanding that conclusion is beyond you?
20 months ago
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They are implying you should make your own mind up, what's actually wrong with you. If you can't see that's what they are implying then you are incredibly slow.

VN don't need to make a stance on anything, they just follow what everyone else is doing. No one else is waiting for VN to say play COD4 as it's pretty self explanatory that if you want to play a game you would just play it...
20 months ago
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+1 to atRi, understand it the same way, specially since vanner is working on getting BO up and running as competitive game...
20 months ago
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very good read.
20 months ago
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Check to see who wrote article
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Richard "DrGonzo" Lewis
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Continue reading
20 months ago
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My thoughts;

I feel the people who are playing it are looking for a change of pace, most of them (inc. myself) want the game to progress with CTF as its main gametype, whether this is right or wrong is still undecided. As you pointed out the game also benefits from alot of public attention, ALOT! This helps to increase the scene size and recognition. Gaming in the UK has started to increase rapidly recently, losing its "nerdy" stereotype etc, now this comes down mainly to console gaming, so surely its beneficial to jump on the bandwagon that is BO to help progress the scene (in terms of size, maybe not polished gameplay etc).

You also point out how flawed CoD4 was at its birth, flash of the pan etc... now look at it? Can't BO do the same? I agree the game has its flaws, but no more so than CoD4 did?

Again this is my OPINION before I get hung up and quatered.


Beautifully written once again though Gonzo, keep the articles up.

20 months ago
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nick said:
most of them (inc. myself) want the game to progress with CTF as its main gametype



Please stop saying ungrounded bullshit Adam. I probably know more people wanting to play this game in SD then you know for CTF, that doesnt make me say things like MOST PEOPLE WANT TO PLAY IT SD, unless you give me some random poll with results im just gonna ignore you and your lumberjackshirt, cause you're just blabbering dog shit mate and thats not what we need right now.

ps: edited for some random whiny lumberjacking ginger which I secretly love.

edited 2010-11-23 18:16:17
20 months ago
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RoFl Nick Hol, everyone loves CTF, accept it!!! nOBjE

ps learn the difference between you're and your >:| FU!
20 months ago
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It's not that I dont know the diffrence between 'your' and 'you're', its more the fact that I can't be arsed with YOUR face adam. YOU'RE SO AWFUL
20 months ago
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nick why cant you spell arfool?! and im firmly in the ctf camp, i dont see the point in spending time modding and fixing a game that looks and feels almost exactly like stock cod4 just to play the same gametype on shitter maps.
20 months ago
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omg such a good and terrible read, the truth make me afraid :s
well done DrGonzo, let's stay on cod4 watching others video toys scroll.

edited 2010-11-23 16:49:17
20 months ago
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sick read
20 months ago
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nice read , cod4 is strong
20 months ago
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good read gonzo, rly nice.
20 months ago
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cod4 <3
20 months ago
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Gonzo have you ever played CoD4 without promod and before it was patched? It's just as bad, if not worse than Black Ops
20 months ago
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Exactly. So why would everyone want to take about seven steps back waiting for BO to get up to scratch, if it can ever get there (it's an unknown quantity), when there's a perfectly good competitive game already here? It took a long time to make CoD4 viable and despite everything stacked against it the game made progress and continues to be on an upward trajectory.

A brief period of inactivity of boredom is not a good enough reason to back BO over CoD4 and the game itself provides no incentives.
20 months ago
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so fucking true
20 months ago
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Alright, so someone has given their opinion and that was to stick with CoD4.

So why not let someone else give a different personal opinion on WHY BO could take over CoD4 and fucking post that on Tek9 scene news.

This is so biased and wrong of tek9 to post this on scene news. It is as if they want BO to be a failure and everyone to stick with CoD4.

Gonzo, you do really good articles, but were you even around in the CoD community when CoD4 was first released? The amount of effort myself and others (Trigger, frijec, etc.) put into making CoD4 a competitive game was unreal. Every single detail had to be tweaked some way or another.

And tbh, Vita Nova should be doing EXACTLY what was done with CoD4 at the beginning; create a panel of people that understand competitive gaming > create a mod for competitive play > try it out in some online cups > gather feedback and go from there.

Instead, as Vanner said, they will monitor BO. When you know yourself Vanner that the game needs the CoD4 backbone to succeed.

Give it the fucking effort and time that was put into making CoD4 SOMEWHAT playable. CoD4 will never exceed to great things like CS1.6 did or even CSS. So what the fuck is the harm of putting a little effort into BO and seeing how it goes?

And again, Gonzo ain't even a competitive CoD player, so what the fuck does his opinion matter to the competitive community?

Everyone should use their own initiative and stand by their own opinion and push for what they want.

Expecting Camiel to post an article from someone else that is known in the community with the opinion that BO can be a success with a bit of effort. Otherwise I'll be dissapointed in the total biased approach towards BO.
20 months ago
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I was there, I know exactly what went into making the game competitive and I don't see why anyone would to go through all that again when the end product is a complete unknown quantity.

I was at the CoD4 launch and played it around the time it first came out, writing then about how it needed a lot of work to come close to being a title suitable for e-sports. At best BO will get to the same level as CoD4 (probably with worse maps) and it will take lots of work to get there. Why would anyone go through that just to end up back at square one with a little bit of variety?

Personally think it'd be a massive shame for a solid community to be fractured over a badly made, flash in the pan, Treyarch title.

See the above comment anyway.

edited 2010-11-23 17:16:53
20 months ago
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+ fuckin bilion
= D
20 months ago
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cod4 is SOOOO competitive
oh wait it's SOOOOO boring
20 months ago
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KarL said:
And tbh, Vita Nova should be doing EXACTLY what was done with CoD4 at the beginning; create a panel of people that understand competitive gaming > create a mod for competitive play > try it out in some online cups > gather feedback and go from there.

Instead, as Vanner said, they will monitor BO. When you know yourself Vanner that the game needs the CoD4 backbone to succeed.



How can we do that without the mod tools CoD4 had on its release? Cevo and ESL have already made rules for Black Ops and people are trying them, I can't see what good us making a slightly diffferent ruleset would be when we speak to all the Americans via our forums all the time. There is only so much you can do with Black Ops atm.

edited 2010-11-23 17:31:53
20 months ago
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I understand at present, there is not much that can be done. But there is STILL constructive things that can be done.
20 months ago
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'ok' karl :p
20 months ago
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KarL, this sounds elitist as fuck. I mean, what the fuck is this line all about: "And again, Gonzo ain't even a competitive CoD player, so what the fuck does his opinion matter to the competitive community?". What the fuck does that have to do with anything? Just cause he isn't "pro" doesn't mean his opinion doesn't count. Isn't that what the CoD community was built on? Collective ideas? Besides, i value Gonzo's opinion more then most people on this forum, seeing as how he's one of the very few people that can actually provide arguments for his point of view and phrase them in a way that doesn't make him seem like a complete tool.

I do like you Karl, but this post was a bit over the top.
20 months ago
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agreed
20 months ago
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.

edited 2010-11-23 19:11:02
20 months ago
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Black Ops cant be modded atm and also I dont remember you ever trying to support CoD4. All I remember is you being one of the main talisman of the #cod2comeback, what a wonderful scene uniter that was....

Also, trying to belittle Richard is not a strong argument either. He knows his stuff.

edited 2010-11-23 18:14:18
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well then you must have a bad memory because i was on the panel at the start of the game that thought up of the rules; bomb timers etc. Hosted cups to try out proposed match rules. I done a lot for CoD4 when it first got released.

Actually, gona edit this post and go as far as to say I was one of the founders of the panel that pushed CoD4 from the beginning.

Just so people realise that just because I like to voice an opinion that most people won't like, doesn't mean i don't do constructive things within the community. Done more than you have chenson and most of the people on tek9.

I have an opinion that you don't agree with, or some other people don't agree with.

It's no coincidence that people like you Chenson, are afraid of CoD4 being replaced, because you know aswell as everyone that has ever seen you play knows, that you won't be noticed in a game that requires more effort and skill than CoD4 does.

I mean, CoD4 is literally the same maps over and over again since it was first released. There is no developments on that front whatsoever. It has no direction because there is nowhere else to go with such a small competitive community. No chance of a HLTV style client, no new maps it would seem, same 3 fucking weapons every game. It has just became so repetitive and BO deserves the same chance CoD4 was given.



edited 2010-11-23 18:49:14
20 months ago
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what you're saying is that chris is crap at a skilless repetitive game and this should be demonstrated by the community switching over to the carbon copy of cod4 with worse maps?

we should definitely do that, and afaik BO doesn't even have the modding tools available in cod4, someone correct me on that if I'm wrong I haven't been following that part of the debate.

I just don't understand this idea that BO is going to be more than mountains of effort for minimal effect. ive played it a bit and the games the fucking same as cod4, except that it has ctf which is a fun change for me, but other than that it's identical with slightly different looking weapons and crappier maps. so why would the competitive community switch? no idea.

edited 2010-11-23 21:47:24
20 months ago
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Might be wrong but if it is so much a carbon copy of CoD4 then why not wait for it to be modded. It's the new maps everyone been begging for, its a breath of fresh air. Plus Activision will support us for a whole year, including LAN prize money.
20 months ago
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In what universe does Gonzo's opinion not matter in CoD4 or eSports as a whole? And in what universe does your opinion trump Richards?

I don't give a flying fuck if you are the godfather of competitive CoD4 - which by my count I don't remember you being so you can scratch that from your memory - you do absolutely bullfuckall for CoD4 now. You just sit on your spastic ass day in and day out commenting on good articles and anything for that matter.

Everytime you comment and make yourself seem so big my face implodes just a little bit more and I can't be arsed when you're all over yourself like you're some big shot.

The scene respects Gonzo's opinion more than it does yours.

edited 2010-11-24 01:03:04
20 months ago
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I enjoy BO, but only because i know it's something that's not going to last. I hope and wish for the community to stay with 4, as it's grown into a good fps. All we need is perseverance and we'll get where we want the games to go eventually.
20 months ago
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cba

edited 2010-11-23 17:36:57
20 months ago
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"why try something out that might become good, or might become shit if theres already something well working as cod4?" was said multiple times here

Shittest fkin argument EVER, that is

with that logic people would still ride on horse because that was proven to work, while cars where only an idea that might, or might not have worked.

Give something new at least a chance.

Yes some maps are not suited for S&D perfectly, but are Showdown/Shipment/Bog or all the other shitmaps of cod4? no their not. BO has some good snd maps as well, wmd, villa, jungle quite ok for example
20 months ago
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freewareplayer said:
jungle quite ok for example



lol
20 months ago
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Jungle and Villa are prime examples of why the maps can't be competitive, they are public maps, with incredible amounts of shit objects in and around the map for some "noob" to hide behind, it's like playing SD on overgrown. There are no skill gaps involved, anyone can win, making it crap for competitive play. Each to their own opinion but I'd love to know how that's incorrect....

edited 2010-11-23 17:39:46
20 months ago
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And CoD4 has a skill gap? ROFL

There hasn't been a proper skill gap in a CoD game since CoD2.
20 months ago
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lmao, clueless
20 months ago
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good read gonzo, displayed everything i think about the game exactly
20 months ago
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Thanks Rich, this is probably something the community has needed of late; an articulate, experienced opinion on where we are and what we should do (hinted rather than explicitly outlined).

Personally and realistically I have grown increasingly pessimistic over time with regards to how far competitive Call of Duty can go considering Activision have very little interest in supporting and helping a competitive community thrive. Resistant to change during cod2, cod4 oversaw the merge of multiple communities to form what is our larger competitive scene we have today (or had, depending on perspectives). Tempted by large prize funds, CGS and other glamours everyone saw cod4 as 'the game to play.'

Honestly I am just not seeing it in BlackOps. With no signs or hint of massive prize purses, WCG or anything of the sort on the horizon,the hype around BO is more a desperate 'hope' that we can reach the next level. Do we lack a sense of realism as a community? Are we just bored and want a fresh start? The latter I suppose, either way - it will only result in a period of limited and stagnant growth as our investment into every new CoD will go unnoticed until the next release, and there will be a next release. The best BO can do is merge other communities from other games, although I feel cod4 has already done this.

I feel there is no real answer.. To stick with cod4? Possibly. It seems the more attractive of the two options... Either way what we really need is an Arab Sheikh to invest.....

I must admit though that people have short memories as I expressed in another post regarding BO opinions. Playing ctf in the big finale on stage at i38 (or i39 can't remember which one) vs fnatic was probably one of the dullest finals to ever grace the Call of Duty series. People watching will have agreed. BO is probably different, but Im not sure how much it really truly differs... (albeit the riotshield was fun..).

The time it will take to create a mod and weed out issues will almost make BO a carbon copy of what we've worked hard to achieve in these last 2 years. Why keep destroying what we've built only to destroy it again when our hopes have been dashed by the elitist cash cows that are game publishers... nonsensical.





edited 2010-11-23 17:51:21
20 months ago
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Bored of this argument i have read the article and everyones comments, we are just going round in circles here why cant everyone wait to see how it goes i myself like change after playing the same game for 2-3 years and the same 3 or 4 maps every game i play in can get boring, COD4 IMO and many others opinion was terrible when it first come out but i did exactly what i am doing with Black Ops and waiting to see how things go and being patient. Gonzo you may be right it may at best get to the same as COD4 is now... But the same was said when COD4 came out. BE PATIENT SEE WHAT HAPPENS :D
20 months ago
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BEEPBEEPimaJEEP

LMAO
20 months ago
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Totally agree with the article.

My view is pretty simple. I can't see anything in Black Ops that justifies a switch, I just think people are tempted by the prospect of something new and that infamous holy grail of being a huge esports title. Unfortunately, CoD games are made for the casual masses. The maps, the guns, the performance value. As the series has grown and the emphasis has gradually moved to console, this has become more and more the case. I think CoD4 was the last Call of Duty game that could ever have a sustainable competitive future due to the fact the game was highly mod-able out of the box. Although an improvement on MW2, Black Ops doesn't have the mod tools, the jury is out on the maps and people are even suggesting switching game type. The game also has chronic performance issues due to it being a fast console port (On a side note, CTF does not work in competitive CoD imo, was tried for MW2 and it failed miserably).

Sure, there is an argument to back Black Ops in the hope that Activision will pump some money into lans and a possible strengthening of the scene but again I think this is just a short term vision pipe dream with a catastrophic end. I just think after all the CoD community has had to do rebuild itself from problems that could so easily arise again in a new game (that would have to be heavily modded), its not worth the risk. A year of boom followed by am impending death because everyone realises the game is flawed/shit is not what we need. What the CoD scene needs now especially in these bad times for esports is a strong, sustainable, stable game and community.

Right now, I just can't see anything credible in Black Ops that justifies the risk. CoD4 has a stable future which we've built over a year of hard work. Unless Black Ops possesses something that is a real, current and obvious benefit, I just don't see the point.
20 months ago
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I agree with chenson and of course Richard. I wrote a mega-über long post earlier and I was about to post it, but it's pretty much just exactly what chenson pointed out here.

What people are forgetting is that yes, the game is on an extremely huge wave right now and rightfully so, but the modtools might take weeks or months to come out, and then we will have to tweak stuff for weeks or months following the release. Just remember the fall of 2008 and how long it took to actually improve the game; that was with a fairly alright game and competitive game to begin with, but still it took months of various mods before we agreed on one. The arguement can be made that now we know somewhat know what we want and expect from the mod, but I don't want to be deluded. The mod will take months, simple as. And by the time the mod is finally ready for competitive play, the Hype-train of CoD:BO has died down a lot and people have set their eyes on the new CoD8, which means we've missed out on a lot of support from the top dogs in the gaming world and one of the main arguements for the CoDBO-pro gamers has gone up in smoke..

People have also pointed out that the top tier of CoD4 has just gone on a standstill, there's the exact same three teams getting to LAN finals every time they attend. I don't know how familiar you lot are with 1.6 (which arguably is the best competitive FPS title) but it has been the same thing there. mTw dominated most of 2k8, 2009 was definitely fnatic's year and 2010 has been Na`Vi's year with a few fnatic appearances now and then. Having a select few teams being in the top doesn't show that the game has grown stale and died, it just shows that it has matured as a competitive title and people have just reached that level of skill. People should just set their aims on pwr/fnatic/TCM and use that as motivation to beat them, as it is possible, instead of resigning and giving up.

Anyway, I don't think it's worth it making a switch as I'm convinced we'll end up on square one in the end anyway, albeit with a worse competitive game than CoD4 is. CoD4 as a game probably won't grow any more and get on the world stage (as in ESWC or WCG participation) and that is why people want to go to the greener pastures of COD:BO. I just think that even if BO does somehow get to a HUGE event, it will die shortly after, simply because the game isn't made to be competitive.
20 months ago
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I always said to keep an open mind as even prior to launch people were condemning it to be shit and we should never play a different game ever again because COD4 is amazing eetcetcetcetc

After playing it since release whenever i can be arsed (lets face it the FPS problem doesn't make it the most attractive idea) i'm already finding it dull. After 2/3 years i can still play COD4 public without complaint, you should just base any future considered competitive title on whether you can see yourself playing public in 2/3 years time.
20 months ago
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Some people say i love u, Some even shout it out.

Some people puke semi-digestive shit into eachothers mouth.

Good read.
20 months ago
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ok jon lajoie
20 months ago
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Great read.
20 months ago
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Blackops pub is fun.
20 months ago
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Double fun even.

edited 2010-11-23 19:00:00
20 months ago
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Gonzo just a tip, don't bother arguing all your points on TEK9, irrespective of what you say people are always going to try counter your argument, or be very selective and take a tiny piece of your post and ignore the rest of it. I gave up a few weeks ago !
20 months ago
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I think that goes whenever anyone in the world of esports makes a point that provides discussion. You only need to look at Richards recently article on Cadred to see it's quite standard ;D
20 months ago
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You came across as a prick in most of them by belittling peoples opinion, acting like they know nothing because they aren't top tier players.

edited 2010-11-23 20:30:44
20 months ago
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Just goes to show how you really didn't read all my comments :D....

I would voice my opinion exactly the same if I were a crap gamer. And most of the time the points I make are pretty damn valid. So think again, nooben!
20 months ago
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KarL said:
It's no coincidence that people like you Chenson, are afraid of CoD4 being replaced, because you know aswell as everyone that has ever seen you play knows, that you won't be noticed in a game that requires more effort and skill than CoD4 does.

I mean, CoD4 is literally the same maps over and over again since it was first released. There is no developments on that front whatsoever. It has no direction because there is nowhere else to go with such a small competitive community. No chance of a HLTV style client, no new maps it would seem, same 3 fucking weapons every game. It has just became so repetitive and BO deserves the same chance CoD4 was given.



But you're crap at a crap game this means?

And you do realise every FPS title has had the same maps for ages.

1.6 - train, nuke, d2, inf, tuscan/mirage are the newest additions nad even they've been played lots before
quake - hub, ztn, dm6 etc etc loads of them in quake that have been played for ages

Don't be such an ignorant fool to say there have been no developments on that front, just recently it has been said a showmatch is trying to be organised in order to "test" properly the maps in a competitive environment :)
20 months ago
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+ new promod ::!H!£H
20 months ago
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1.6 is on a different level to CoD. It doesn't need improvements with regards to new maps etc. as the game already has big money LAN's every year.
20 months ago
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It doesn't matter what level the game is at in terms of eSports success, even when Quake or 1.6 was a small competitive title the same maps were always played, and still are, no one is bored of them in 1.6.

And if you don't want to think about the bigger titles, how about a smaller game like ET or CoD2 or CoD1 or SoF2, the same maps were repeatedly played over and over again at a competitive level. Playing the same maps isn't a problem, adding a new map every now and again can indeed bring a breathe of fresh air much like the recent addition of de_mirage to the DreamHack 1.6 tournament, but as I said, there already is a showmatch being organised to play some new maps and promod as vanner just said. So quit ur whining about maps, it's whinging for the sake of whinging.
20 months ago
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It doesn't need new maps because it has big money lans every year?
......
Are you trying to say that cs 1.6 players don't get bored of the maps because they have big money lans? It are still the same maps they play day after day. I do believe cs 1.6 is more exciting on a tactical level but still the maps would get repetitive.

Or are you trying to say that giving cod4 new maps would cause it to have bigger prize pots at lan? It might make people more active but i dont think it will motivate more people to go to lans. I really cant think of anyone not going to lan because they find the maps dull.
20 months ago
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@ Dis4ster

I think hes saying that 1.6 has an incentive to still play the same maps because their is a chance of money. We are stuck playing the same maps with little incentive because we have what 4 good LAN's a year with only prize pools of £5,000 each.
20 months ago
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Why would say MLG pick up PC circuit of BO instead of XBOX one?
20 months ago
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@Karl, trying to belittle people is not a good argument. I have no personal agenda. Id happily play CoD2, CoD4 or any other game that I enjoy. I don't give a shit about how successful I would be as a player. You can flame me and say im shit but I can guarantee you that my personal success (or lack of) is not and has never been my motivation for arguing in CoD4s case.
Im able to actually think outside myself and form opinions based on what I believe to be best for the community.
20 months ago
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Its quite clear reading the article that the varying opinions arise due to the varying things people want from the game. Over the ridiculous number of threads on this topic it seems obvious that those who want to jump ship to BO want to do so for fairly selfish reasons.
Most people arguing BO's case seem to mention huge LAN events and cash injections for the developers, and to me it raises questions as to why people are playing the game? Obv those who play the game competitively initially do so to win money, but why can't people enjoy competitive play just for the competition? At least until cod4 is at a level where the LAN events are worth it again.
Maybe BO could be a benefit for those who truly want to stay with cod4? BO can draw out all those who lack interest and leave us with a community of people who obviously all care.
I can't deny it when people suggest BO has potential, because being un-modded its an opinion which can't be fully founded at such an early stage. I think however the main nail in BO's coffin is the fact that by the time it is modded and competitive ready, the next COD title will be on the horizon and this shit will just start all over again.

essentially: "why would everyone want to take about seven steps back waiting for BO to get up to scratch, when there's a perfectly good competitive game already here? (c) DrGonzo

Sums it up imo.

edited 2010-11-23 20:52:31
20 months ago
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we keep CoD4 and not black ops too.

By the way Activision wont make any competitive games, just some commercial games with the Call of Duty inside,
jetset said:

In the first 24 hours it has sold 7 million copies, 5.6 million in the United States and 1.4 million in the United Kingdom, eclipsing the record set by Modern Warfare 2 by approximately 2.5 million



Prooves are here. Earn money + Earn Money + Earn money
20 months ago
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i cant comprehend why BO supporters use the ''cod4 required a lot of work too'' argument when it's clearly against them

i really dont get u karl where the hell have u drawn out the conclusion that BO would require more aim and brains?

edited 2010-11-23 22:09:14
20 months ago
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Tommyn said:
Might be wrong but if it is so much a carbon copy of CoD4 then why not wait for it to be modded. It's the new maps everyone been begging for, its a breath of fresh air. Plus Activision will support us for a whole year, including LAN prize money.



They would support a couple of LANs (at most), and the new maps in BO are terrible.
20 months ago
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If the LANs have dried up on CoD4 why not take advantage temporarily?.
20 months ago
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they haven't dried up? :)
20 months ago
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that sounds extremely stupid. why would anyone bother put all the work in BO to make it capable of competitive gaming (if thats even possible considering the maps) just for a "temporary advantage"?
20 months ago
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have they?
20 months ago
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Next lan is after christmas?

Edit: Big Lan

edited 2010-11-24 02:02:17
20 months ago
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uh no it isnt lol
20 months ago
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WHAT
20 months ago
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Sorry mate, I'll just host a massive fucking LAN on 25th December for you.
20 months ago
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Not getting my point, there is Lans for cod4 every 3-4 months. Why not use the time in between to help support BO.

I only class EU lans, seen as lans like I-series count for nothing.

edited 2010-11-25 17:04:11
20 months ago
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Then you are lacking some knowledge
20 months ago
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what sorta lans? EU lans? Well yeah obviously, alot of the teams outside of the top 10 EU have to fund themselves to go to these so its unaffordable for there to be many more EU lans. Local lans happen AT LEAST once a month in lots of different areas (i41, dutch lan that just happend, the reality etc)
20 months ago
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As much as i've played the cod games, and as much fun i've had with them, i just can't wait for a new title to come out that's a competitive FPS game. After cod2, all relative skill went out of the game. Rommel could become a beast at cod4 just through strategy. Now, all there is, is retards playing cod4 herp derp cool game, and some people i admire trying to boost BO.

Personally, at this point my PC can't run BO, so i'll "stick" to cod4. But when i can't play more than 10+ hours a week of a game, it's not interesting enough. I think i've eclipsed 10+ hours p/week two or three times in a year with cod4...

edited 2010-11-23 23:46:43
20 months ago
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I just want to add as a side note:

CS 1.6 was close to dying, and i mean close. No lan's going at all, almost no teams playing it etc. Then arbalet came along and infused the game with a bucketload of money. Everyone rejoiced and played 1.6. However, arbalet has stated that he will stop supplying money and the 1.6 scene who was untill then primarily leeching off of him will now have to be self-sufficient. Worst case scenario (and pretty likely one as well): 1.6 collapses and there goes the "#1 fps title". Yes, 1.6 has been around for decades, but times have changed. At the end of the day, we've got a game with up to date graphics, spectator friendly and a strong community behind it (whenever we aren't rooting for a sequel of the game), we have access to most of the games content and there is a solid amount of organisations who want a part of the pie that is Call of Duty 4. Yes, CoD isn't 1.6, but 1.6 isn't flawless either.
20 months ago
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-Post this on Cadred and hltv.org and leave it
-comeback after 2 days and read ALL comments
-?????
-You'll probably do a suicide
20 months ago
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i've had my face plastered on this site for over a month, and been ridiculed for it pretty much 24/7. I think i can take a few hundred comments np
20 months ago
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Famous last words Aerox
20 months ago
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rofl, so untrue. arbalet was a big positive surprise out of fucking nowhere, but its not like he saved the game. the game has sooo many competitions with shitload of money even without arbalet, with the three biggest ones IEM (spring) ESWC (summer) and WCG (fall). there are also DH winter and summer, WEM, KODE5, MSI Beat IT, SEC, e-Stars, Gamegune and the list goes on and on... Arbalet invested so much money to CIS countries and for sure its a big hit for those teams, but there was only one European and one American cup so moneywise its almost nothing... only the image of cs suffering here. and 1.6 wont be replaced by any game that exists right now, but maybe in the future someone is smart enough to invest in a game that focuses on a competitive side only, who knows
20 months ago
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Why would someone be silly and risk a sound investment (Console, fun players) for such silly nonsense as competetive gaming. We need the current generation to die out, so that the players who actually have participated in eSports can join up with those companies and convince them that eSports is actually worth their time.

Or we can all mass move to South Korea
20 months ago
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+1

Your whole take on the arablet situation is really quite wrong. It's going to stay the major FPS title for another 5 years at least, the games still got a large following and the prestige in its name. When it loses a lot of the big names/tournaments CSS stands a better chance than COD i'm afraid.
20 months ago
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North America ---> Black Ops
20 months ago
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I read that (rightly or wrongly) as Richard suggesting we ditch black ops? which tbh he has no right to do. Not because he isnt a player or w/e, simply because its a community choice, this type of thing just white washes what 'could' be a viable alternative (and before anyone points out its just an opinion, these types of opinions do a lot of damage).

You're being too hasty to say anything before mod tools are released. I got the distinct impression, that over all coding was similar to that of WaW and COD4... IF that is the case, then making a promod for it, porting over our 5 competitive maps, shouldn't be an issue. Sure its a lot of 'ifs' at the moment, but why be so bloody closed minded about it?

To close it down at this stage, is potentially wiping out the variation that everyone seems to want so much, and perhaps pump more money into it, hell maybe even see it at large events...

To many wild leaps imo Richard, you cant say for sure that is what will happen.


*EDIT*

"Also saying this "Yet I asked around and that phrase came up again, even from people whose opinion I respect and feel have steered the community in the right direction."

then

"I hope that the people I overheard and spoke to where either strung out from lack of sleep or were just idiots, perhaps even both."

apart from being really condescending, if they were right the first time, what's to say they are not this time???

edited 2010-11-24 01:32:42
20 months ago
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you should read it as Richard overlooking the scene, and giving his 2cts with regards to what would be best for our community. He knows as well as most people do that it's a community decision. He just tells you through this article what he thinks the right call is. Don't see anything wrong with that.
20 months ago
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"I read that (rightly or wrongly) as Richard suggesting we ditch black ops? which tbh he has no right to do"

oh really? a COMMUNITY choice? you realise a community choice is made up of the MEMBERS of a community DECIDING something. how do you think they do that without voicing opinions? you think everyone sits around waiting for every other person to simultaneously decide to start playing BO or stick to cod4? no.
20 months ago
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"IF that is the case, then making a promod for it, porting over our 5 competitive maps, shouldn't be an issue"

Are you a real person?

paaaang: yes I understand the process of porting maps over, thanks for telling me though.

edited 2010-11-24 15:28:24
20 months ago
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I guess you'd have to remake the maps? or can u just port them over?
20 months ago
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Its not about being close minded, its about being perceptive and making the right choice for the community. Richard knows his stuff so his opinion is valued.
20 months ago
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im fat. so doesnt really matter what you guys argue about :DDDDDDDDDDD


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20 months ago
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I do actually love you <3
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