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| posted by: Splatski on 2008-03-04, 20:43 |
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page 2: UKCIA interview


The UKCIA, or the United Kingdom Cannabis Activists is a group which is fighting to make Cannabis legalised in the united Kingdom. I had the pleasure of being able to interview Derek Williams from UKCIA.
The Netherlands currently has a Policy where it is Legal to carry a small amount of Cannabis, but it is Illegal to supply it. If Cannabis was legalized in the United Kingdom would this be the kind of Policy you would wish to see?
Just about the only thing that's good about the Dutch system is it isn't as bad as ours. Cannabis isn't legal there, it's tolerated. Although some aspects of the Dutch system work well, it isn't what I would like to see here, no. That said, it would be massive improvement on what we have now. It should be pointed out that the Dutch are aware of the shortfalls and are making representations to the UN to revise the cannabis policy to enable them to fully legalise it.
Although much about the UK Drug Policy seems strange, as in, some of the most addictive drugs are not under any form of control, Caffeine and Nicotine are examples. Would you not agree the Netherlands Drug Policy seems even more dysfunctional?
Caffeine is the least controlled widely used drug I think anywhere, tobacco however is controlled with such measures as age limits on purchases and grading of product. Alcohol of course is very tightly controlled albeit with the dubious right to be advertised. It is a mistake to think of illegal drugs as being in any way controlled though. The cannabis trade, because it's illegal, it utterly uncontrolled in any meaningful use of the word.
Indeed, I was at the recent ACMD meeting to consider the re-grading of cannabis and the lack of knowledge about the trade was staggering. We know very little about the strength or purity or street cannabis and nothing about the type - ie ratio of THC to CBD. Only recently has research been done for example on how young people get hold of it. If you don't control the market in a substance I would argue you don't control that substance.
At least the Dutch system allows some control over the trade, age limits for example in the coffee shops and some level of grading and quality control. I wouldn't agree it's "dysfunctional" as you suggest, but sure it's not perfect.
I have also contacted Consultant Psychologists from the United Kingdom, the Netherlands and Sweden in the formation of this article. The general consensus amongst them is that Cannabis is still a 'Dangerous Drug', and when pressed on whether it should be legalized in the UK said 'No', would you agree with them?
Of course not, and it's not the view of all consultant psychiatrists (a "Psychologists" is something different isn't it?), there is a degree of support for a properly regulated, controlled regime and for good reason. I have attended the recent cannabis and mental health conferences in London in 2004 and 2007 and have discussed this at some length. At the end of the last conference a debate was held which decided Holland had the best regime for dealing with cannabis.
Do you think that a legalized system like Alcohol would work for Cannabis? With a guideline amount that can be consumed per day?
Broadly yes and for much the same reasons that prohibition of alcohol had to be abandoned in 1920's America. We're a long way off establishing a system such as alcohol units, a system which is open to some debate anyway. But there is surely an urgent need to quantify doses at the very least. It is also vital to remove organised crime from the supply side and to introduce workable measures to protect vulnerable people.
Regarding the "units" system for alcohol, very few people understand it. The number of units contained in a litre of alcohol is the same as the strength in ABV, but we sell beer in pints, so that simple conversion doesn't work.
On your website you cite the Health Benefits of Cannabis, would you agree that there is a vast difference between people using it as a prescribed, cost effective type of pain relief, to a healthy person endangering their body and brain unnecessarily?
We have heard from many people who use cannabis for pain relief over the years and find it quite effective. Until recently this was denied by the government who insisted cannabis had no medicinal value. Sativex is hardly "cost effective", I forget the price per patient but it's certainly not cheap. However, it's clearly better to use a medicine under the direction of a doctor and in doses which are certain. However, there were many MS sufferers who had been supplied by the campaign group THC4MS who were getting good results from using the plant, I suggest you ask medi users for their opinion on this.
I would add one thing: Legalisation is all about wanting laws which work and are enforceable to enable proper and effective control and regulation of what is a massive trade involving millions of people. There is no evidence to support the claims that prohibition is in any way effective nor even that it results in the lowest level of use. There is much evidence however to suggest that the legal status of a drug has little impact on levels of use.
On behalf of Tek-9, I would like to thank Derek for his time and contribution to this article.
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| #1 |
Framp |
2008-03-04 21:06:44 |
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interesting read |
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| #2 |
tek9.con |
2008-03-04 21:25:56 |
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deffo, very nice read |
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| #3 |
tek9.sCARFACEEe |
2008-03-04 21:30:33 |
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Interesting read and some decent points mades.
I'm not sure about the legalisation of cannabis, I smoke it (sometimes), and I have my bad times and good times with it. But to be on the safe side, I would go with no. |
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#euroCASSIAS |
2008-03-04 22:33:57 |
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nice article,
i haven't smoked any joint yet but i know you all people outside NL love NL cus your able to smoke and get highhh here |
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| #5 |
tek9.VulcanO |
2008-03-05 00:01:52 |
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a nice article Splat !!
an interesting subject and an original approach ...
some good points made |
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tek9.nano |
2008-03-05 00:08:00 |
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lol nice work.. good interviews
Personally i hate weed but i have nothing morally against it. |
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| #7 |
unph4zd |
2008-03-05 02:20:33 |
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ounce a day to keep me high.
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Kolonel |
2008-03-05 06:33:53 |
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Very interesting stuff.
Only times I smoke weed is when I had it, cuz you won't find quality stuff here. |
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| #9 |
Toddski |
2008-03-05 10:07:11 |
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"And the people who had smoked cannabis when they were 18 heavily, they were six times more likely to go psychotic."
definition of heavy smoking please? :) |
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| #10 |
4K^junior |
2008-03-05 14:03:20 |
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[R]eason.Stonerseries @ CPC2 LoLz. Nufin like a fat raggamuffin whilst gaming! |
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| #11 |
CQC deffan |
2008-03-05 14:28:43 |
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against |
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| #12 |
MiB'qbarca |
2008-03-05 15:40:58 |
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sex - YES, game - YES, drugs - NO... |
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| #13 |
tek9.KNALLER |
2008-03-05 16:04:59 |
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weed is fun :p rest of the drugs: no
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| #14 |
sloom |
2008-03-05 17:24:10 |
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weed isnt legal here |
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| #15 |
leito |
2008-03-05 17:47:17 |
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nice read, but i'll never stop with smoking marihuana at least I think it.. for the time being .)
edited 2008-03-05 22:06:46
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bustbashTWICE- |
2008-03-05 18:16:55 |
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I smoke weed often and everytime i enjoy it, i like it :p
therefore im going to go with legalize it!
i kno about the effects and im sure all the other people do who smoke it. so ye :p |
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| #17 |
SILKZAOOO |
2008-03-05 19:16:01 |
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nice read;) |
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alekzoor |
2008-03-05 21:57:13 |
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Weird i just had a bong before coming on this and it is an interesting read.
I Smoke cannabis not regularly back at home but since being in canada since jan we've been going through an ounce and it's finished about 5/6 days after and thats between 4 of us and it'll continue till april no doubt.
I enjoy the drug and i know about the consequenses of doing it heavily and i see it as a phase in life more than anything and when i'm home i do want to stop.
On nights out i'll usually have a few PR'd with me and as i don't drink (I'm a t total (H))the weeds combined with other substances...it's also alot more cheaper...discuss?
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vdesire`slAAI |
2008-03-05 22:54:26 |
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nice article.
I think the dutch system has some good sides to it, they can control the use on a certain level. But like alcohol, not every1 gets sick or dies from it. So why make soft drugs illegal, and have alcohol (a hard drug) legal.
If you legalize it to some extend, you can actually control the use of the product (ofcourse there are allways people who over use it). Alcohol has the same system you cannot use up to a certain amount. Whenever you are driving, you are not allowed to buy alcohol (beer) untill you are 16 (at least in NL), heavier stuff from 18. The dutch soft drugs system works the same, you can only buy it from certain shops (same goes for heavy alcohol like whisky), and you can only buy it from 18 and higher.
The only downside to the entire subject is. A lot of soft drugs going around in NL is home made, which is actually a lot more harmful then the legal stuff is (eg the one you buy in coffee shops).
Same goes for alcohol though if you make alcohol at home you can actually die pretty easy, it is very bad for your health and not really something to do.
edited 2008-03-05 22:56:02
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backstabbed |
2008-03-06 00:54:54 |
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legalizle cannabis, while we're on the topic.. fuck what it does to your head, it's your choice... and it would be ALOT easier to control if it was legal.
Smoking and alcohol destroys your mind aswell so I don't see why cannabis is illegal.
edited 2008-03-06 00:56:34
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Meth2 |
2008-03-06 01:55:43 |
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Very interesting article.
I'm going with legalizing, 'cause in most european countries it's not that difficult to buy some weed of the streets, in my opinion it's best to have control in coffeeshops so it's certain that people will get tested and approved weed.
I'm a regular user of weed and my mind hasn't been effected by it (atleast not noticeable to people around me). I think it's the people who are having psychological issues who're really effected by the use of weed.
Weed is an "emotions-booster", someone who is already a bit depressed starting to smoke weed regularly is bound to get himself into more psychological problems.
As long as weed is used in responsible hands there's nothing to worry about. It's the same with alcohol.
edited 2008-03-06 01:57:17
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LGT Crysti |
2008-03-06 04:10:36 |
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Good read.
I smoke whenever I can get my hands on some and ain't had any side-effects. Other drugs I would say no cos I've seen what kind of harm they're capable to cause, have to say tho that MDMA(ecstasy) isn't a bad drug either, have popped some ex's.
It sounds bad cos its a form of amfetamin but it doesn't cause any kind of physical dependancy either.
Going with legalizing aswell. Tobacco and alcohol are more dangerous than weed is. |
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k1ck mow |
2008-03-06 14:58:53 |
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DRUGS YES YES YES |
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alanN |
2008-03-06 17:09:43 |
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#20 yes while were at it legalize every other drug who gives a shit what it does to u its your choice . u dumb shit stfu. people saying weed is'nt a bad drug cause u have a smoke now and then with your buddies u got no clue at all, but u smoke it day in day out and u will see what happens
#23 people like u aint never touched a drug in your life dont say shit to try and big yourself up just makes u look like a retard |
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towers |
2008-03-06 19:45:38 |
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always gd 2 have a spliff at the end of a party or afta a few drnks with some mates, but people who smoke it on the regular don't realise how much its fucking their heads up.
ma mate has an awful memory afta smokin 2-3 spliffs a day since he was 13 .. alcohol barely fucks u up have as bad as weed, dont know y ppl smoke joints in place of drinkin on the regular
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#euroCASSIAS |
2008-03-06 21:25:15 |
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Alcohol YES YES
Drugs Haven't used anything, but maybe i will try some shit soon
Sigaretts DOUBLENO ( haven't smoked 1 single sigaret in my life yet:D )
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dokgermaine |
2008-03-06 21:46:58 |
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weeds alright after a few drinks, or when it's free. cba paying for it though, stingy :) |
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redLine.LouisC |
2008-03-06 23:05:25 |
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nice article |
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Korpi |
2008-03-06 23:08:19 |
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I think it's stupid to justify the legalisation of weed by comparing it to alcohol and tobacco. The thing is, alcohol and tobacco shouldn't be legal either, they just happen to have such a strong grip on society that prohibiting them aint gonna happen anytime soon. That however does not mean that we need more chemicals to screw ourselves up.
I'm gonna go with No. |
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tek9.dfb |
2008-03-07 12:47:28 |
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Loved the article, really did. Keep that up! |
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k1ck mow |
2008-03-07 15:26:23 |
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#24 hahahaha your the one that makes me laugh cuz yes ive touched in drugs, i touch on them everyday.
One of the reasons I quit playing its cuz I prefer enjoying all time I can with my friends, drinking, smoking pipes and having fun and not playing. Come to portugal in the summer and you can smoke a pipe with me ;)
Plus, I don't get it why you actually say people look big if they smoke drugs, I do smoke everyday a pipe atleast, but that doesn't make any1 bigger than the others, actually just blows ur fucking brain and you'll die sooner, its your choice if you prefer to enjoy your life smoking and drinking and have a shorter life but enjoying it more (if this is your way of enjoying), depends on the atitude of the person, which in my case is a yes, i prefer to drink a lot, smoke a lot and die sooner than to not enjoy and die when im 70 years old.
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leito |
2008-03-07 16:29:21 |
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#31 idd
#24 try to enjoy your rl and stop writing shits like..
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#23 people like u aint never touched a drug in your life dont say shit to try and big yourself up just makes u look like a retard |
edited 2008-03-07 16:29:43
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dirtmcgirt |
2008-03-07 18:05:01 |
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#25 alcohol is a depressant and people still tend to drink when theyre down(hypocrisy anyone?), my dad is schizophrenic and he both drinks and smokes weed (i know not the smartest thing to do but he has been drinking for god knows how long). i know he'd be MUCH better off quitting alcohol and instead smoke weed, i'm not saying weed is better but you can't deny the fact that alcohol destroys you in ways weed could not. YES it affects your memory, it destroys brain cells, it can lead to a psychosis, but it is nowhere near as destructive and addictive(in fact weed is only psychologically addictive) as alcohol. so please don't go around saying people should instead drink regularly. if you drink occasionally, while going out with mates on the weekends or so, that's okay, just don't think you can get away with drinking day in day out and not get addicted, it's just inevitable you'll be struggling with a serious addiction very soon.
i know, you may not have meant every day of the week with ''drinking on the regular'' but if you did then here's what i had to say lol. |
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| #34 |
smitherines |
2008-03-07 19:53:01 |
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I <3 weed. |
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tek9.joe |
2008-03-08 02:16:36 |
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interesting... |
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alekzoor |
2008-03-10 00:28:58 |
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| | smitherines said: | | | I <3 weed. |
amen. |
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